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"When You Say" is a song by British rock group
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, which first appeared on their 1969 album '' Then Play On'' as the fourth track on the album. It was also recorded by Christine Perfect as her debut single, which was later included on her self-titled album in 1970.


Background


Fleetwood Mac version

According to an ''
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, Kirwan played both electric and Spanish guitars on "When You Say" and also contributed lead vocals. In his book ''Strange Brew: Eric Clapton and the British Boom'', Christopher Hjort instead listed Peter Green as the lead guitarist for the session and Kirwan as the rhythm guitarist. The recording session for "When You Say" took place on 2 July 1969, and the sixth and final take was used as the
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. Green originally wanted "When You Say" to be released as the first single from their 1969 album ''Then Play On'', but his song " Oh Well" was selected instead. In an interview with ''
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'' prior to the release of ''Then Play On'', Green commented that "When You Say" was "one of the best things irwan hasever done". Following the commercial success of "Oh Well", "When You Say" was one of the two songs dropped from the track listing of ''Then Play On'' to make room for "Oh Well". Nick Logan of ''NME'' found "When You Say" to be "simple, appealing and effective."


Christine Perfect version

In September 1969, the song was recorded as the debut solo single by former
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keyboardist/vocalist Christine Perfect, then wife of Fleetwood Mac bass guitarist
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. Danny Kirwan, who was the songwriter behind "When You Say", arranged the recording session and produced Perfect's rendition. The B-side of the single was "No Road Is the Right Road", written by Perfect. The single was announced in the 29 September 1969 edition of ''
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'' and the publication also provided an expected release date of 17 October 1969 under the Blue Horizon label. Writing for ''Melody Maker'', Chris Welch found the string arrangement on Perfect's "When You Say" to be dated but thought that she sang the song "in fetching fashion". He also characterised it as a "weird ballad". Derek Johnson of ''
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'' called the song a "beautiful ballad with classical leanings" but questioned whether the single would have "mass appeal". The single was a commercial failure, partly due to Perfect's refusal to appear on the BBC TV music show
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. However, McVie did record a performance of the song with the Derek Wadsworth Orchestra for a
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, which was broadcast on 1 November 1969.


Track listing

*UK vinyl (Blue Horizon – 57-3165) #"When You Say" – 3:11 #"No Road is the Right Road – 2:52


Personnel


Fleetwood Mac version

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– guitars, vocals * Peter Green – possible lead guitar *
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– bass guitar


Christine Perfect version

*Christine Perfect – vocals, keyboards *Danny Kirwan – guitar *John McVie – bass guitar * Top Topham – guitar on b-side *Rick Hayward – guitar on b-side *Martin Dunsford – bass guitar on b-side *Chris Hardings – drums on b–side


References

{{DEFAULTSORT:When You Say 1969 songs 1969 debut singles Fleetwood Mac songs Christine McVie songs Songs written by Danny Kirwan