The Rose turret (sometimes known as the Rose-Rice turret) was a
gun turret
A gun turret (or simply turret) is a mounting platform from which weapons can be fired that affords protection, visibility and ability to turn and aim. A modern gun turret is generally a rotatable weapon mount that houses the crew or mechanis ...
fitted to the rear position of some British
Avro Lancaster
The Avro Lancaster, commonly known as the Lancaster Bomber, is a British World War II, Second World War heavy bomber. It was designed and manufactured by Avro as a contemporary of the Handley Page Halifax, both bombers having been developed to ...
heavy bombers in 1944–45. It was armed with two American 0.5 inch (12.7 mm)
light-barrel Browning AN/M2 heavy machine guns — the standard American defensive weapon used in turreted and flexible mounts in the
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress is an American four-engined heavy bomber aircraft developed in the 1930s for the United States Army Air Corps (USAAC). A fast and high-flying bomber, the B-17 dropped more bombs than any other aircraft during ...
and
Consolidated B-24 Liberator
The Consolidated B-24 Liberator is an American heavy bomber, designed by Consolidated Aircraft of San Diego, California. It was known within the company as the Model 32, and some initial production aircraft were laid down as export models desi ...
and other aircraft.
Development of the turret began in 1943 as part of a program to improve the Lancaster's defensive armament but it did not enter production until late 1944. The
Royal Air Force
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(RAF) ordered 600 Rose turrets in June 1944 and 400 were completed by the end of the
Second World War
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in Europe. The turret was generally regarded as an improvement over previous designs, although its guns had a high rate of stoppage during combat.
Development
When introduced to service, all three of the Avro Lancaster's gun turrets were fitted with
Browning medium machine guns firing the
.303 British round. The front and mid-upper turret were each fitted with two .303 guns, and the rear turret had four. A small number of early Lancasters were also equipped with a ventral turret on the bottom of the fuselage fitted with two .303s, but this turret was phased out from 1942.
The .303 guns were soon regarded as being inadequate, however, and in 1942 the
Air Staff identified a requirement to fit the Lancasters with a turret armed with more powerful
0.50 inch (12.7 mm) heavy machine guns "as soon as possible"; this view was supported by Air Marshal
Arthur Harris
Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris, 1st Baronet, (13 April 1892 – 5 April 1984), commonly known as "Bomber" Harris by the press and often within the RAF as "Butcher" or "Butch" Harris, was Air Officer Commanding, Air O ...
, the air officer commanding-in-chief of
Bomber Command.
A conference was held at the
Air Ministry
The Air Ministry was a department of the Government of the United Kingdom with the responsibility of managing the affairs of the Royal Air Force and civil aviation that existed from 1918 to 1964. It was under the political authority of the ...
on 11 January 1943 to discuss the optimal armament for the Lancaster. The consensus view of the participants was that the aircraft should be fitted with two
20 mm cannon in its mid-upper turret, two .303 inch guns in the forward turret and two .50 inch guns in the rear turret. At the conclusion of the conference, Air Vice Marshal
Ralph Sorley, who was responsible for the RAF's technical requirements, stated that "every effort should be made to introduce the mid-upper and redesigned tail turrets in a year's time" and that the Lancaster's armament would be obsolete if this deadline was not met.
Despite Sorley's views, development of an upgraded rear turret for the Lancaster proceeded slowly. Harris became frustrated with the slow progress of the project and did not believe that the Air Ministry would be able to produce the turret in time. As a result, he decided to go outside the official channels and personally asked the small
Gainsborough firm of
Rose Brothers to develop a turret for the Lancaster; this company had previously developed an improved gun mounting for the
Handley Page Hampden
The Handley Page HP.52 Hampden is a British twin-engine medium bomber that was operated by the Royal Air Force (RAF). It was part of the trio of large twin-engine bombers procured for the RAF, joining the Armstrong Whitworth Whitley and Vickers ...
medium bomber in 1940 upon a request from Harris. The
Ministry of Aircraft Production subsequently offered to provide draughtsmen to help Rose Brothers develop the turret, but the head of the company turned down this offer and relied upon Air Vice Marshal
Edward Rice for technical advice. Rice was one of the senior Bomber Command station commanders, and had travelled with Harris to visit Rose Brothers at the start of the project. He subsequently led
No. 1 Group RAF from February.
[McKinstry (2009), p. 431]
Harris obtained Sorley's agreement to support the development of what was by then known as the Rose turret in June 1943. However,
Nash & Thompson, which produced the Lancaster's .303 turrets, was also commissioned to develop a .50 inch armed turret as the Air Ministry and Ministry of Aircraft production did not want to rely upon Rose Brothers alone. Nash & Thompson's design was known as the FN82.
Development of the two new turret designs continued throughout 1943, but neither was ready by early 1944. The Rose turret shook severely during its early firing trials; this was eventually attributed to poor workmanship of the turret's base ring. In June 1944, the RAF placed an order for 600 Rose turrets after the problems with the design had been resolved.
The turrets were built by hand at Rose Brothers' factory at Gainsborough, and were eventually produced at the rate of one per day; this rate was considered to be slow by the Air Staff. Production of the Rose turret ceased at the end of the war – by this time 400 had been completed.
[McKinstry (2009), pp. 433–436] The FN82 took even longer to develop, and the first production model was completed in January 1945.
[McKinstry (2009), p. 434] None of Bomber Command's Lancasters had been fitted with an FN82 by the end of the war.
Characteristics

The Rose turret was a roomy design equipped with two
Browning AN/M2 heavy machine guns. The turret was driven by
hydraulics
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, and the hydraulic system was easier to use than that in previous designs. The considerable internal space meant that the turret could be fitted with two seats: a layout in which one man operated the guns and the other fed targeting data into the gunsight computer was developed, but not used in practice.
[Bowyer (1979), p. 51]
An unusual feature of the Rose design was that the turret was not fully enclosed. Previous designs had
perspex around the gun position, but in the Rose turret there was no protective shielding immediately in front of the
gunner. This feature reflected operational experience: many Lancaster gunners had cut away parts of their turret perspex in order to obtain a better view, a practice that had originated at
RAF Gransden Lodge, and which was subsequently known as the "Gransden Lodge modification". Testing of the Rose turret found that the open design reduced the temperature in the turret – which was typically very low – by only four degrees
Celsius
The degree Celsius is the unit of temperature on the Celsius temperature scale "Celsius temperature scale, also called centigrade temperature scale, scale based on 0 ° for the melting point of water and 100 ° for the boiling point ...
compared with a closed design.
[Bowyer (1979), pp. 51–52] As well as improving the gunner's view, this feature also made it easier for him to bail out of the aircraft in an emergency.
[McKinstry (2009), p. 435]
Operational service
Rose turrets began to be used operationally from late 1944.
[Bowyer (1979), p. 52] The turrets were mainly fitted to aircraft in No. 1 Group, though some were allocated to
No. 5 Group.
[Falconer (1998), p. 94] Most Lancaster rear gunners regarded the turret as an improvement because of its heavier firepower.
However, the turrets proved to be less reliable than the older design, and research conducted by the Ministry of Air found that 60 per cent of Rose turrets experienced gun stoppages during combat compared with 23 per cent of the .303-equipped turrets. On the positive side, aircraft fitted with the Rose turret were found to be half as likely to be attacked by fighters as other Lancasters – the researchers suggested that "this may be accounted by the increased field of view from the turret which would assist evasion from attacks".
By the end of the war, 180 Rose turrets had been fitted to Lancasters.
[Harris (1995), p. 108] In his ''Despatch on War Operations'', Harris stated that the turret was the only improvement made to the defensive armament of the RAF's
heavy bomber
Heavy bombers are bomber Fixed-wing aircraft, aircraft capable of delivering the largest payload of air-to-ground weaponry (usually Aerial bomb, bombs) and longest range (aeronautics), range (takeoff to landing) of their era. Archetypal heavy ...
s after 1942, and argued that "those responsible for turret design and production displayed an extraordinary disregard" for Bomber Command's requirements.
[Harris (1995), p. 111]
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