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John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley ( –1553), commonly known as Lord Quondam, was an English nobleman.


Early life

John Sutton was born in 1494, at
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, the eldest son and heir of Sir
Edward Sutton, 2nd Baron Dudley Edward Sutton, 2nd Baron Dudley (c. 1460 – 31 January 1531) was an English nobleman created a Knight of the Garter (KG) in the beginning of King Henry VIII's reign. He was chamberlain to Princess Mary (later Queen Mary I) from 1525 to 1528. ...
and his wife Cicely ( Willoughby) Sutton. Cecily was a daughter of Sir William Willoughby and Joan Strangeways, and granddaughter of
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. John Sutton had several younger brothers: Thomas, William, Arthur, Geoffery and George. Among his sisters were Hon. Eleanor Sutton (wife of
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, and
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), Hon. Jane Sutton (wife of Sir Thomas Fiennes and mother of
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), and Hon. Margaret Sutton (wife of John Grey, 2nd
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).


Career

Sutton was a soldier and was with
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in France in 1513, fighting in War of the Holy League with Spain against France. He was knighted on 13 October that year. He succeeded his father,
Edward Sutton, 2nd Baron Dudley Edward Sutton, 2nd Baron Dudley (c. 1460 – 31 January 1531) was an English nobleman created a Knight of the Garter (KG) in the beginning of King Henry VIII's reign. He was chamberlain to Princess Mary (later Queen Mary I) from 1525 to 1528. ...
, as
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in 1532. He was already very much in debt at this time, he and his father having already borrowed money as early as 1512, and immediately began to sell his patrimony, including half of
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. His father had already sold most of the Sutton interest in the barony of Malpas in 1521, as well as Northfield in 1531. Sutton sold the rest to Sir Rowland Hill in 1537. The barony of Malpas had been held by the Sutton family since about 1270, when Isabel Patrick married Richard de Sutton. He sold the manor of Oxley in Staffordshire to James Levison in 1533. In 1532, immediately after his succession as Baron Dudley, Sutton also borrowed £2000 against his estates from his cousin, the Earl of Warwick and future Duke of Northumberland
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, with a £400 yearly repayment. Sutton wrote to
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, then serving as a member of the King's Privy Council, that year asking him to use his influence with the King to persuade him to pay the £2000 in exchange for the £180 per year rent for the manor of Sedgley for 20 years. Sutton wrote again to Cromwell in 1533 asking him to pay the £400 yearly repayment. This was apparently unsuccessful and Sutton sold the manor and castle of Dudley to his cousin in 1535. It appears Cromwell lent Sutton £1000 some time before 1538-9 Sutton acquired the derogatory nickname "Lord Quondam" ('Lord Has-been' or 'Lord Formerly') after allowing his estate, including the castle of Dudley, to fall into the possession of his cousin. There is much evidence in
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's ''Letters and Papers of the Reign of Henry VIII'' to suggest that Sutton's cousin,
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, and
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between them colluded to entangle Lord Dudley before the fact, and did not simply take advantage of him afterwards, as suggested by Dugdale's sources. Cromwell had long been friends with Cecily Grey and her family, having served as her father's advisor in 1523, and bought out Baron Dudley's lands to help save her family from ruin. Sutton's wife, Lady Cecily, Baroness Dudley, wrote to the Lord Privy Seal (
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) on 24 February 1538, describing the effect of her family's loss of income:
"The cause of my writing unto you is, desiring you to be good lord unto me; it is so, as you know very well, that by the means of my lord, my husband, I and all mine are utterly undone, unless it be the better provided by the Grace of God, and likewise that it may please the King's highness to take pity of me and mine. . . The truth is, I have little above twenty pound a year, (which I have by my lady my
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,) to find me and one of my daughters with a woman and a man to wait upon me; and surely, unless the good prioress of
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did give me meat and drink of free cost, to me and all mine that here remains with me, I could not tell what shift to make. Over and besides that, whensoever any of my children comes hither to see me, they be welcome unto the prioress as long as they list to tarry, horsemeat and man's meat, and cost them nothing, with a piece of gold or two in their purses at their departure."
Northumberland resided for many years at
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and added new and magnificent structures to the old fortress. In 1675, the historian,
William Dugdale Sir William Dugdale (12 September 1605 – 10 February 1686) was an English antiquary and herald. As a scholar he was influential in the development of medieval history as an academic subject. Life Dugdale was born at Shustoke, near Colesh ...
, wrote of Sutton's sale of Dudley Castle to his cousin:
"It is reported by credible tradition of this John Lord Dudley, that being a man of weak understanding, whereby he had exposed himself to some wants, and so became entangled in the usurer's bonds, John Dudley, then Viscount Lisle and Earl of Warwick (afterwards Duke of Northumberland), thirsting after Dudley Castle, the chief seat of the family, made those money merchants his instruments to work him out of it, which by some mortgage being at length effected, this poor lord became exposed to the charity of his friends for a subsistence, and spending the remainder of his life in visits amongst them, was commonly called the Lord Quondam."
Lord Dudley was never summoned to Parliament.


Personal life

By 30 October 1501, he was betrothed to Lady Cecily Grey (c.1497-1554), a daughter of
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, by
Cecily Bonville Cecily Bonville, 7th Baroness Harington, 2nd Baroness Bonville (30 June 1460 – 12 May 1529) was an English peer, who was also Marchioness of Dorset by her first marriage to Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset, and Countess of Wiltshire by her s ...
, his wife, ''
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'' Baroness Harington and Baroness Bonville. Lady Cecily was the grand-daughter of the former Queen,
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. They subsequently married and Lord Dudley and Lady Cecily were the parents of at least nine children, several of whom were directly involved on both sides in the conflicts and turmoil surrounding the
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(–1586), who married one of Queen Mary I's Gentlewomen of the
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, Catherine Brydges, the daughter of
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, in 1556. After her death in 1566, he married Lady Jane Stanley, a daughter of
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, in 1567. After her death, he married Mary Howard, the daughter of William Howard, 1st Baron Howard in 1571. * Hon. Sir
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(1517–1568), a diplomat who was a conspirator of the Tudor period against Queen Mary; he married Anne Ashton, daughter of Sir Christopher Ashton and step-daughter of
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. Sir Christopher also plotted against Queen Mary. * Hon. George Sutton, a soldier at
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who plotted against Queen
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. * Hon. Maud Sutton, who married Ralph Josceline. * Hon. Margaret Sutton, who married William Guibon of
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. * Hon. Thomas Sutton (1539–1574), who married and had issue. * Hon. Dorothy Sutton. * Hon. Elizabeth Sutton. * Hon. Robert Sutton. After losing
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in 1537, Sutton, who retained the title Baron Dudley, moved to his city residence at Tothill Street in
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, which his father had been hiring since 1522. He died in Middlesex and was buried on 18 September 1553 in
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, London; Cecily, Baroness Dudley, was also buried there on 28 April 1554.Mosley, Charles, editor. ''Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes.''
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(Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003, volume 1, page 1192.
Accounts of his funeral were given by the diarist
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:
"Sir John Dudley was buried at Westminster, Sept. 21st 1553, the backside of St. Margaret's. His crest a blue lion's head standing upon a crown of gold"
And a transcript of a contemporary account published by
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in his ''Memorials'':
"Sir John Dudley, baron of Dudley, happening to die at Westminster, his obsequies were celebrated on the 21st of September, honourably; but with the odd, popish ceremonies; that is to say, priests and clerks going before and singing in Latin. Then a priest wearing a cope, then a clerk, having the holy water-sprinkle in hand. After, a mourner bearing this lord's standard. After him, another bearing his great banner of arms, gold, and silver; another bearing his helmet, mantle and crest, a blue lion's head, standing upon a crown of gold. After, another mourner, bearing his target and another his sword. Next came Mr. Somerset, the herald, with his coat armour of gold and silver. And then the corse, covered with cloth of gold to the ground, and four of his men, bearing him, his arms hanging upon the cloth of gold; and twelve men, of his servants, carrying twelve staff-torches burning, to the church. In the quire was a horse made of timber, covered with black and arms up the black. And after, came the mourners, making a great company. After the dirge began, the herald came to the choir door, and prayed for his soul by his style. And so the dirge-song began in Latin and all the lessons. And then the herald prayed for a soul-mass. And so the mass was sung in Latin. And after, this noblemen's helmet, coat and target were offered. And, after all ended, the standard and banner of arms were offered, and so the company repaired to the house whence they set out. Then followed the ringing of bells and a great dole."
His cousin and nemesis
John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland John Dudley, 1st Duke of Northumberland (1504Loades 2008 – 22 August 1553) was an English general, admiral, and politician, who led the government of the young King Edward VI from 1550 until 1553, and unsuccessfully tried to install Lady Jane ...
was executed on 22 August the same year, 1553, after plotting to install
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on the English throne. After Northumberland's execution, Dudley Castle was forfeited to the crown, and in 1555 was restored by Queen Mary to Lord Dudley's eldest son,
Edward Sutton, 4th Baron Dudley Edward Sutton, 4th Baron Dudley (circa 1515 – 12 July 1586). The oldest son and heir of John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley. He was an English nobleman and soldier. Contemporary sources also refer to him as ''Sir Edward Dudley''. Early life Sir Edw ...
and his wife, Catherine Brydges.G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, ''The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14'' (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes,
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Alan Sutton Publishing The History Press is a British publishing company specialising in the publication of titles devoted to local and specialist history. It claims to be the United Kingdom's largest independent publisher in this field, publishing approximately 300 ...
, 2000), volume IV, page 481.


References

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3 Burials at St Margaret's, Westminster