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Tilman Riemenschneider (c. 1460 – 7 July 1531) was a German
sculptor Sculpture is the branch of the visual arts that operates in three dimensions. Sculpture is the three-dimensional art work which is physically presented in the dimensions of height, width and depth. It is one of the plastic arts. Durable sc ...
and woodcarver active in
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from 1483. He was one of the most prolific and versatile sculptors of the transition period between late
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and
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, a master in stone and
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.


Biography

Tilman Riemenschneider was born around the year 1460 at Heiligenstadt im Eichsfeld in present-day
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. When Riemenschneider was about five years old, his father was involved in a violent political conflict, the , so the family had to leave Heiligenstadt and all their possessions. They resettled in Osterode, where his father became Master of the Mint (a good position at that time) and where Riemenschneider spent his childhood years. Riemenschneider likely came to Würzburg for the first time at the age of 18 in 1478/79. His uncle served as notary and financial advisor to the bishop there, but he did not stay for long. Around 1473, Riemenschneider learned the trade of sculpting and woodcarving, likely in Swabia or the Upper Rhine — possibly in
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and/or
Ulm Ulm () is a city in the German state of Baden-Württemberg, situated on the river Danube on the border with Bavaria. The city, which has an estimated population of more than 126,000 (2018), forms an urban district of its own (german: link=no, ...
. At that time, the statutes of the guild of sculptors required that an apprentice travel to many different workshops to gain experience. Very little is known about this period of his life, but he likely came in contact with the work of
Martin Schongauer Martin Schongauer (c. 1450–53, Colmar – 2 February 1491, Breisach), also known as Martin Schön ("Martin beautiful") or Hübsch Martin ("pretty Martin") by his contemporaries, was an Alsatian engraver and painter. He was the most important ...
, whose copper engravings served him later as examples. In 1483, he settled in Würzburg. On 7 December 1483, he joined the Saint Luke's Guild of painters, sculptors, and glass workers as a painter's assistant. On 28 February 1485, he married Anna Schmidt (born Uchenhofer), a widow of a master goldsmith with three sons. This marriage not only brought him property, but it also meant that he could end his apprenticeship and become a master craftsman. Also in 1485, Riemenschneider became a citizen of Würzburg, which made it possible to attain the status of master craftsman, and opened a workshop in Franziskanergasse, in the home of his wife. His earliest confirmed work is the gravestone of Eberhard von Grumbach in the ''Pfarrkirche'' at Rimpar. This may be the type of work he started out with before obtaining large church commissions. He started to receive numerous orders from the town councils of Würzburg and neighboring towns. The earliest large work attributed to him is the ''Franziskusaltar'' in the ''St Jakobskirche'' in
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, which is described in the church guide book as 'about 1490', but its style compared to other works of that date is rather primitive, suggesting it may be an earlier work, sometimes dated from 1485.for this and other dating, see ''loc cit'', p. 132 and following. In 1490, the town council of
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ordered an altarpiece for the altar of ''St Maria Magdalena'', the parish church, which included a carving of
Mary Magdalene Mary Magdalene (sometimes called Mary of Magdala, or simply the Magdalene or the Madeleine) was a woman who, according to the four canonical gospels, traveled with Jesus as one of his followers and was a witness to his crucifixion and resurre ...
with six angels. It was set up in 1492. In 1491, the town council of Würzburg ordered two life-sized stone figures of ''Adam'' and ''Eve'' for the south portal of the council's church, the '' Marienkapelle'' (erected in 1493). In 1494, Riemenschneider's first wife died, leaving him with three stepsons and a daughter. In keeping with the times and his status, he remarried in 1497, Anna Rappolt. She bore him two daughters and three sons, all of whom seem to have inherited their father's artistic talent. In 1495, he created the statue of Mary with child (''Pfarrkirche St Bernard'' in Würzburg). More high-profile work followed: In 1496 Riemenschneider received the order to carve the tomb of Prince-Bishop
Rudolf von Scherenberg Rudolf II von Scherenberg (c. 1401 – 1495) was Bishop of Würzburg from 1466 until his death. His longevity (about 94) and long reign were significant. Rudolf von Scherenberg was the son of Erhard von Scherenberg and Anna von Massbach. On ...
at
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. It was delivered in 1499, the same year in which an order arrived for the Imperial tomb at
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(delivered 1513). By 1500, he had developed an outstanding reputation as an artist and had become a wealthy Würzburg citizen. Not only did he own a number of houses, but he also was a landowner with his own vineyards. His flourishing workshop provided work for as many as 40 apprentices doing woodcarving, sculpting, and painting. In November 1504, Riemenschneider became a member of the ''Unterrat'' (councilman) of the town of Würzburg, an office he held until 1525. This office not only brought him social status, but it also helped him obtain many large and profitable orders. In 1508, Riemenschneider married Margaretha Wurzbach. From 1509 until 1522 he was a member of the ''Oberrat'' four times. He married again, in 1520, a woman of whom only the first name, Margarethe, is known. In 1520/1, Riemenschneider was a mayor of Würzburg (in the Middle Ages there were always two people who held this position at the same time). His increasing engagement in local politics at a time of heavy order volume meant that his apprentices took a more prominent role in the creation of the workshop's output. Art historians have been able to identify specific figures as the work of individual workers. During the
German Peasants' War The German Peasants' War, Great Peasants' War or Great Peasants' Revolt (german: Deutscher Bauernkrieg) was a widespread popular revolt in some German-speaking areas in Central Europe from 1524 to 1525. It failed because of intense oppositi ...
, Riemenschneider was one of the town council members who refused to obey an order by Konrad von Thüngen, the Prince-Bishop of Würzburg to fight the revolting peasants. On 4 June 1525, the peasant's army was destroyed, with 8,000 killed, just outside Würzburg by the troops of Georg, Steward of Waldburg-Zeil, and the bishop. After the town surrendered, the full town council, including Riemenschneider, was incarcerated and tortured in Marienberg Fortress. The claim that both of his hands were broken during the torture, which ended his artistic career, is today considered to be a legend without base in fact. It probably only originated in the 19th century after his "rediscovery". Together with the rest of the council, Tilman was set free after two months, with loss of most of his property. The only order he is known to have received after this was work in 1527 for a Benedictine nunnery at Kitzingen. Until his death on 7 July 1531 at Würzburg, he led a retired life with his fourth wife. His son Jörg from his second marriage continued the workshop after his death. Due to his loss of status, Riemenschneider was soon forgotten as an artist, other than for the two gravestones of Bishops
Rudolf von Scherenberg Rudolf II von Scherenberg (c. 1401 – 1495) was Bishop of Würzburg from 1466 until his death. His longevity (about 94) and long reign were significant. Rudolf von Scherenberg was the son of Erhard von Scherenberg and Anna von Massbach. On ...
and
Lorenz von Bibra Lorenz von Bibra, Duke in Franconia (1459, Mellrichstadt – 6 February 1519, Würzburg) was Prince-Bishop of the Bishopric of Würzburg from 1495 to 1519. His life paralleled that of Maximilian I (1459–1519), who ruled the Holy Roman ...
side by side at the
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. Only when his gravestone was discovered in 1822 between Würzburg Cathedral and Neumünster was his outstanding position in Gothic sculpture recognized by a wider audience. Unlike
Albrecht Dürer Albrecht Dürer (; ; hu, Ajtósi Adalbert; 21 May 1471 – 6 April 1528),Müller, Peter O. (1993) ''Substantiv-Derivation in Den Schriften Albrecht Dürers'', Walter de Gruyter. . sometimes spelled in English as Durer (without an umlaut) or Due ...
or
Veit Stoss Veit Stoss (also: ''Veit Stoß'' and ''Stuoss''; pl, Wit Stwosz; before 1450about 20 September 1533) was a leading German sculptor, mostly working with wood, whose career covered the transition between the late Gothic and the Northern Renaiss ...
, Riemenschneider acquired true fame only posthumously.


Art

The sculptures and woodcarvings of Tilman Riemenschneider are in the late
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style, although his later work show
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characteristics. Notably the tomb for Lorenz von Bibra (see below) is considered as one of the pieces marking the transition from Gothic to Renaissance art. His work is characterized by the expressiveness of the figurines' faces (often shown with an inward look, as in the 'self-portrait') and by their detailed and richly folded clothing. The emphasis on expression of inner emotions sets Riemenschneider's work apart from that of his immediate predecessors. Riemenschneider's early success as a sculptor was due to the plasticity of his works, with great care being taken of modeling the folds of garments. This way of sculpting the garments as well as the typical oval faces and almond-shaped eyes were modelled on art from the
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region of the 1470s, implying that Riemenschneider may have learned his trade either there or at Ulm. Later works lost some of the volume of the early sculptures, allowing a more efficient production. Riemenschneider is seen today as one of the first sculptors of the 15th century who did not have all his figures painted. Prior to the 1490s, almost every sculpture had been painted in several layers by a different artist, who often attracted more admiration than the sculptor. The reasons for shifting to a new type of art, where the wood was visible, are still debated by art historians. Riemenschneider worked in both wood and stone. It is assumed he learned stone carving first and only later turned to wood carving. Some wooden figures, though unmistakably his own work, show some signs of less-than-perfect choice of wood or handling.
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places Riemenschneider's best work, such as the ''Virgin listening to the Annunciation'', in the same league as the oil paintings of
Albrecht Dürer Albrecht Dürer (; ; hu, Ajtósi Adalbert; 21 May 1471 – 6 April 1528),Müller, Peter O. (1993) ''Substantiv-Derivation in Den Schriften Albrecht Dürers'', Walter de Gruyter. . sometimes spelled in English as Durer (without an umlaut) or Due ...
. Art historian
Kenneth Clark Kenneth Mackenzie Clark, Baron Clark (13 July 1903 – 21 May 1983) was a British art historian, museum director, and broadcaster. After running two important art galleries in the 1930s and 1940s, he came to wider public notice on television ...
views the Riemenschneider figures as showing the serious personal piety in Germany in the late fifteenth century and as harbingers of the coming
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. Among his successors and/or pupils were and Philipp Koch.


Major works

The largest collection of his work, 81 pieces, can be found in the ''Mainfränkisches Museum'' in the
Fortress Marienberg Marienberg Fortress (German: ''Festung Marienberg'') is a prominent landmark on the left bank of the Main river in Würzburg, in the Franconia region of Bavaria, Germany. The mighty Fortress Marienberg is a symbol of Würzburg and served as a ...
in Würzburg. * ''Hassenbacher Vesperbild'', church of , around 1490, wood * ''Altar of the Farewell of the Apostles'', ''Allerheiligenkirche'', near
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, 1491 * ''Altar Piece, Maria Magdalena'',
Münnerstadt Münnerstadt is a town in the district of Bad Kissingen in Bavaria, Germany. It has a population of around 7,600. Geography It borders on the towns of Burglauer, Bad Bocklet, Nüdlingen, Maßbach, Großbardorf, and Strahlungen. The municipal ...
, 1490/1492 * ''Adam and Eve'', originally Marienkapelle
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, ''Mainfränkisches Museum'', 1491/1493 * ''Sculpture of Bishop
Rudolf von Scherenberg Rudolf II von Scherenberg (c. 1401 – 1495) was Bishop of Würzburg from 1466 until his death. His longevity (about 94) and long reign were significant. Rudolf von Scherenberg was the son of Erhard von Scherenberg and Anna von Massbach. On ...
,
Würzburg Cathedral Würzburg Cathedral (german: Würzburger Dom) is a Roman Catholic cathedral in Würzburg in Bavaria, Germany, dedicated to Saint Kilian. It is the seat of the Bishop of Würzburg and has served as the burial place for the Prince-Bishops of Wür ...
, 1496/1499 * ''Emperor's Tomb'',
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, 1499/1513 * '' Mary Salome and Zebedee'', Würzburg 1501-5, now in the
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, London * ''Saint Anne and her three husbands'',
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, ''Bayerisches Nationalmuseum'', 1505/1510, wood * ''Grieving Maria'', Würzburg, ''Mainfränkisches Museum'', around 1505 * ''Altar of Maria'',
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, around 1505/1508, wood * ''Altar of the Apostles, Altar of the Church Fathers, and Altar of the Annunciation, Carving of St. Kilian, Crucifix, epitaph of Hans
von Bibra The House of Bibra () was one of the leading '' Uradel'' (ancient noble) families in Franconia (northern part of Bavaria) and present day Thuringia from the mid-15th century to about 1600. Later on the family rose from ''Reichsri ...
'', St. Leo church, Bibra near
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, around 1500, wood except epitaph * ''Crucifixion'', St. Nikolas Church in
Eisingen Eisingen is a municipality in the district of Enz in Baden-Württemberg in Germany. It is situated on the Bertha Benz Memorial Route and contains no other villages. History Eisingen became a possession of the Margraviate of Baden in late 1495 ...
,
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, 1500—1505 * ''Holy Blood Altar'', Jakobskirche, Rothenburg ob der Tauber, 1501—1505, wood * ''Altar of the Apostles'', St.-Kilians-Kirche zu
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, 1509, now in the ''
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'',
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* ''Crucifixion Altar'', church of Detwang (Rothenburg ob der Tauber), 1510/1513, now in the ''Kurpfälzisches Museum'', Heidelberg * ''Tomb of Bishop Lorenz of Bibra'', Würzburg Cathedral, 1520/1522 * ''Madonna of the Rosary'', pilgrim's church of ', near Volkach, around 1521/1524 * ''The Lamentation of Christ'', abbey church of Maidbronn near Würzburg, 1525 * ''The Assumption of the Virgin'', center panel of the Creglingen altarpiece, Herrgottskirche,
Creglingen Creglingen is a town in the Main-Tauber district of Baden-Württemberg, Germany. It has around 4,700 inhabitants. Geography Subdivision The town Creglingen contains the following ''districts'' (since the municipal reform of 1972): Archshofen, B ...
, 1495-1499


In literature

The character Goldmund in the 1930 book '' Narcissus and Goldmund'' by
Hermann Hesse Hermann Karl Hesse (; 2 July 1877 – 9 August 1962) was a German-Swiss poet, novelist, and painter. His best-known works include '' Demian'', '' Steppenwolf'', '' Siddhartha'', and '' The Glass Bead Game'', each of which explores an individual ...
serves as an apprentice with a master sculptor who is socially prominent in the town where he worked and whose character appears to be loosely based on that of Riemenschneider. He serves both as an artistic inspiration for Goldmund and as a foil for the less restrained temperament of Goldmund. Hesse describes Riemenschneider's statue of Mary with child which resides in the ''Pfarrkirche St Bernard'' in Würzburg as: "Dreamily she gazes out from her glass case, far away from our world... in her gracefulness and distinction she is refined to a degree of perfection far above that of mankind today." The plot of
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's first Vicky Bliss mystery novel, "Borrower of the Night" (1973) centers around the search for a missing Riemenschneider sculpture. Most of the action takes place in
Rothenburg ob der Tauber Rothenburg ob der Tauber () is a town in the district of Ansbach of Mittelfranken (Middle Franconia), the Franconia region of Bavaria, Germany. It is well known for its well-preserved medieval old town, a destination for tourists from around the ...
.


References

* ''The Limewood Sculptors of Renaissance Germany'',
Michael Baxandall Michael David Kighley Baxandall, FBA (18 August 1933 – 12 August 2008) was a British art historian and a professor emeritus of Art History at the University of California, Berkeley. He taught at the Warburg Institute, University of London, and ...
, 1980 * ''Tilman Riemenschneider: Master Sculptor of the Late Middle Ages'', Julien Chapuis et al., 1999 * "Tilman Riemenschneider"
''The Catholic Encyclopedia''
* ''Riemenschneider im Taubertal'',
Kurt Gerstenberg Kurt Gerstenberg (23 July 1886, Chemnitz − 2 November 1968, Würzburg) was a German art historian, a pupil of Heinrich Wölfflin. Gerstenberg's 1913 work ''Deutsche Sondergotik'' (''German Special Gothic'') gave the name to Sondergotik Sonderg ...
, 1939. * Vincent Mayr, "Riemenschneider, Tilman" Grove Art Online.
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,(6-21-2006) * Julien Chapuis, ''Tilman Riemenschneider: Master Sculptor of the Late Middle Ages'',
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Publications, October 11, 1999,


External links


Mainfränkisches Museum, Würzburg


* ttps://web.archive.org/web/20051116072438/http://www.ku.edu/~sma/collection/europeanamerican/riemenschneider.html ''Virgin and Child''at the
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,
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Lawrence, Kansas Lawrence is the county seat of Douglas County, Kansas, Douglas County, Kansas, United States, and the sixth-largest city in the state. It is in the northeastern sector of the state, astride Interstate 70, between the Kansas River, Kansas and Waka ...
*Art of Germany (BBC documentary, 2010). I
Episode one
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visits and comments on the ''Holy Blood Altar.'' * {{DEFAULTSORT:Riemenschneider, Tilman German woodcarvers Medieval German artists Medieval German sculptors German Renaissance sculptors 1460s births 1531 deaths * Wooden sculptures in Germany Painters from Würzburg People from Heilbad Heiligenstadt Burials at Würzburg Cathedral German male sculptors 15th-century German sculptors 16th-century German sculptors 15th-century German artists 16th-century German artists German Roman Catholics