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"A rolling stone gathers no moss" is a
proverb A proverb (from ) or an adage is a simple, traditional saying that expresses a perceived truth based on common sense or experience. Proverbs are often metaphorical and are an example of formulaic speech, formulaic language. A proverbial phrase ...
, first credited to
Publilius Syrus Publilius Syrus (fl. 85–43 BC), was a Latin writer, best known for his sententiae. He was a Syrian from Antioch who was brought as a slave to Roman Italy. Syrus was brought to Rome on the same ship that brought a certain Manilius, astronomer ...
, who in his states, "People who are always moving, with no roots in one place or another, avoid responsibilities and cares." The phrase spawned a shorter mossless offshoot image, that of the ''rolling stone'', and modern moral meanings have diverged, from similar themes such as used in the popular song " Papa Was a Rollin' Stone", to a more complementary commentary on "freedom" from excessive rootedness, such as in the band
The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones are an English Rock music, rock band formed in London in 1962. Active for over six decades, they are one of the most popular, influential, and enduring bands of the Album era, rock era. In the early 1960s, the band pione ...
.


Correct attribution

The saying may not be authentic to Publilius Syrus, as the
Latin Latin ( or ) is a classical language belonging to the Italic languages, Italic branch of the Indo-European languages. Latin was originally spoken by the Latins (Italic tribe), Latins in Latium (now known as Lazio), the lower Tiber area aroun ...
form usually given, , does not appear in his edited texts. It is first documented in Egbert of Liège collection in Latin, ('The Well-Laden Ship'), V. 182, of about 1023: Therefore, the proverb was not invented but made popular 500 years later by
Erasmus Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus ( ; ; 28 October c. 1466 – 12 July 1536), commonly known in English as Erasmus of Rotterdam or simply Erasmus, was a Dutch Christian humanist, Catholic priest and Catholic theology, theologian, educationalist ...
' ''
Adagia ''Adagia'' (singular ''adagium'') is the title of an annotated collection of Greek language, Greek and Latin proverbs, compiled during the Renaissance by Dutch Humanism, humanist Erasmus, Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus. Erasmus' repository of p ...
'', first published in England around 1500. Erasmus gave the saying in both Greek and Latin. It is also given as , and in some cases as .


Historical use

The conventional English translation first appeared in
John Heywood John Heywood ( – ) was an English writer known for his plays, poems, and collection of proverbs. Although he is best known as a playwright, he was also active as a musician and composer, though no musical works survive. A devout Catholic, he ...
's collection of ''Proverbs'' in 1546, crediting Erasmus. ''
Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable ''Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable'', sometimes referred to simply as ''Brewer's'', is a reference work containing definitions and explanations of many famous phrases, allusions, and figures, whether historical or mythical. The "New Edi ...
'' also credits
Erasmus Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus ( ; ; 28 October c. 1466 – 12 July 1536), commonly known in English as Erasmus of Rotterdam or simply Erasmus, was a Dutch Christian humanist, Catholic priest and Catholic theology, theologian, educationalist ...
, and relates it to other Latin proverbs, or , which mean that a frequently replanted plant or tree yields less fruit than an olive or oak tree that is left in place for hundreds of years. By the 19th century, the theme of "rootlessness having negative consequences" was still much in place. To quote the 1825 Dictionary of Scots Language: "Any gentleman, whether possessing property or not, who was popular, and ready to assist the poor in their difficulties, might expect a day in the moss, as they were wont to term it, and could have them longer for payment." At the time, "A day in the moss" referred to cutting peat in
bog A bog or bogland is a wetland that accumulates peat as a deposit of dead plant materials often mosses, typically sphagnum moss. It is one of the four main types of wetlands. Other names for bogs include mire, mosses, quagmire, and musk ...
s (made of consolidated
sphagnum moss ''Sphagnum'' is a genus of approximately 380 accepted species of mosses, commonly known as sphagnum moss, also bog moss and quacker moss (although that term is also sometimes used for peat). Accumulations of ''Sphagnum'' can store water, since ...
) referring to hard work in preparation for winter. An itinerant "rolling stone" will not likely feel the timely need to "gather moss", by applying for access to a community's peat bog.


20th century


In literature

The phrase was popular in England in the early 20th century. In '' Swallows and Amazons'', published in 1930 by the English children's author Arthur Ransome, the theft and eventual return of "Captain Flint's" memoirs ''Mixed Moss by A Rolling Stone'', forms an important narrative in the story. In ''
The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones are an English Rock music, rock band formed in London in 1962. Active for over six decades, they are one of the most popular, influential, and enduring bands of the Album era, rock era. In the early 1960s, the band pione ...
'', a 1952 novel by science fiction author Robert A. Heinlein, a family travels throughout the Solar System looking for adventure and money. Hazel Stone, the grandmother, justifies the initiation of their rootless existence saying: "this city life is getting us covered with moss", when they buy their ship, with the theme carrying throughout the book. In ''
The Return of the King ''The Return of the King'' is the third and final volume of J. R. R. Tolkien's ''The Lord of the Rings'', following '' The Fellowship of the Ring'' and '' The Two Towers''. It was published in 1955. The story begins in the kingdom of Gondor, ...
'' (1955) by J.R.R. Tolkien,
Gandalf Gandalf is a protagonist in J. R. R. Tolkien's novels ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings''. He is a Wizards (Middle-earth), wizard, one of the Istari order, and the leader of the Company of the Ring. Tolkien took the name "Gandalf" fr ...
tells the
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s that Tom Bombadil "...is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling. But my rolling days are ending, and now we shall have much to say to one another." Though the two are both ancient figures, Gandalf has remained involved throughout history, until here where his story is beginning to recede from the realms of men. Philip K. Dick's
science fiction Science fiction (often shortened to sci-fi or abbreviated SF) is a genre of speculative fiction that deals with imaginative and futuristic concepts. These concepts may include information technology and robotics, biological manipulations, space ...
novel '' We Can Build You'', written in 1962, features a fictionalized psychiatric test for
schizophrenia Schizophrenia () is a mental disorder characterized variously by hallucinations (typically, Auditory hallucination#Schizophrenia, hearing voices), delusions, thought disorder, disorganized thinking and behavior, and Reduced affect display, f ...
in which a person is asked for the meaning of the proverb (see below).


In music

Union activist Joe Hill's last will, written in the form of a song in 1915, states: "My kin don't need to fuss and moan / Moss does not cling to rolling stone."
Hank Williams Hiram "Hank" Williams (September 17, 1923 – January 1, 1953) was an American singer, songwriter, and musician. An early pioneer of country music, he is regarded as one of the most significant and influential musicians of the 20th century. W ...
's " Lost Highway" (1948) opened with the line "I'm a rolling stone/All alone and lost", inspiring later songs to use the ''rolling stone'' metaphor, many of which dropped the reference to moss. " Rollin' Stone" is a 1950 song recorded by blues legend
Muddy Waters McKinley Morganfield (April 4, 1913April 30, 1983), better known as Muddy Waters, was an American blues singer-songwriter and musician who was an important figure in the post-World War II blues scene, and is often cited as the "father of moder ...
, which inspired the band name
The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones are an English Rock music, rock band formed in London in 1962. Active for over six decades, they are one of the most popular, influential, and enduring bands of the Album era, rock era. In the early 1960s, the band pione ...
, and the 1965 song "
Like a Rolling Stone "Like a Rolling Stone" is a song by the American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan, released on July 20, 1965, by Columbia Records. Its confrontational lyrics originated in an extended piece of verse Dylan wrote in June 1965, when he returned exhauste ...
" by
Bob Dylan Bob Dylan (legally Robert Dylan; born Robert Allen Zimmerman, May 24, 1941) is an American singer-songwriter. Described as one of the greatest songwriters of all time, Dylan has been a major figure in popular culture over his nearly 70-year ...
, which in turn inspired the magazine ''
Rolling Stone ''Rolling Stone'' is an American monthly magazine that focuses on music, politics, and popular culture. It was founded in San Francisco, California, in 1967 by Jann Wenner and the music critic Ralph J. Gleason. The magazine was first known fo ...
''.
Don McLean Donald McLean III (born October 2, 1945) is an American singer-songwriter and guitarist. Known as the "American Troubadour" or "King of the Trail", he is best known for his 1971 hit "American Pie (song), American Pie", an eight-and-a-half-minut ...
's " American Pie" (1971) includes the lyrics "Now for ten years we've been on our own / And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone".
The Temptations The Temptations is an American vocal group formed in Detroit, Michigan, in 1961 as The Elgins, known for their string of successful singles and albums with Motown from the 1960s to the mid-1970s. The group's work with producer Norman Whitfield ...
released a notable cover of the song " Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" in 1972 about an absent father. Dave Matthew's " Busted Stuff" (2002) verse shares "Rolling Stone gathers no moss, but leaves a trail of busted stuff". " Flames", a 2019 song by ZAYN, R3HAB and Jungleboi contains the line "'Cause I'm a rolling stone / And I keep rolling on". " Start Nowhere", a song released in 2022 by
Sam Hunt Sam Lowry Hunt (born December 8, 1984) is an American country music singer and songwriter. Born in Cedartown, Georgia, Hunt played American football, football in his high school and college years and once attempted to pursue a professional sport ...
includes the lyrics "Well I don't know but I've been told / Moss don't grow on a rolling stone".


In psychiatry

Because it is so well known, the saying is one of the most common proverbs used in psychological tests for mental illness. American psychiatric research conducted in the 1950s between control groups of healthy Air Force personnel against hospitalized Veterans Administration patients with
schizophrenia Schizophrenia () is a mental disorder characterized variously by hallucinations (typically, Auditory hallucination#Schizophrenia, hearing voices), delusions, thought disorder, disorganized thinking and behavior, and Reduced affect display, f ...
found that the lack of
abstraction Abstraction is a process where general rules and concepts are derived from the use and classifying of specific examples, literal (reality, real or Abstract and concrete, concrete) signifiers, first principles, or other methods. "An abstraction" ...
ability was statistically higher in the VA patients. This led researchers to believe that persons with mental illness were only capable of "concrete" thinking, or interpreting metaphorical or abstract concepts literally, often simply restating the proverb in different words. The American writer
Ken Kesey Ken Elton Kesey (; September 17, 1935 – November 10, 2001) was an American novelist, essayist and Counterculture of the 1960s, countercultural figure. He considered himself a link between the Beat Generation of the 1950s and the hippies o ...
, who had participated in Air Force mental health studies using
LSD Lysergic acid diethylamide, commonly known as LSD (from German ; often referred to as acid or lucy), is a semisynthetic, hallucinogenic compound derived from ergot, known for its powerful psychological effects and serotonergic activity. I ...
, derided what he felt were the simplistic conclusions of these psychiatrists in a scene in his 1962 novel '' One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest''. The protagonist, asked by a psychologist what he thinks the proverb means, guesses "It's hard for something to grow on something that's moving." At the end of the novel he is forced to submit to a
lobotomy A lobotomy () or leucotomy is a discredited form of Neurosurgery, neurosurgical treatment for mental disorder, psychiatric disorder or neurological disorder (e.g. epilepsy, Depression in childhood and adolescence, depression) that involves sev ...
, partially "justified" by the perceived "pathology" indicated by his "concrete" response. The research results have, in practice, often been improperly generalized to suggest a lack of metaphorical understanding of proverbs alone can be an indicator of mental illness.


In film and TV

The 1975 film '' One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'' included the book's scene with McMurphy ridiculing the psychologist. In 2005 the television show ''
MythBusters ''MythBusters'' is a science entertainment television series created by Peter Rees (producer), Peter Rees and produced by Beyond International in Australia. The series premiered on the Discovery Channel on January 23, 2003. It was broadcast in ...
'' rolled a stone constantly for six months, and did not measure any moss growth during that time. One of the limousines says the proverb in the last scene of Leos Carax's ''
Holy Motors ''Holy Motors'' is a 2012 surrealist fantasy drama film written and directed by Leos Carax and starring Denis Lavant and Édith Scob. Lavant plays Mr. Oscar, a man who appears to have a job as an actor, as he is seen dressing up in different co ...
'' (2012).


In comics

A gag of
George Herriman George Joseph Herriman III (August 22, 1880 – April 25, 1944) was an American cartoonist best known for the comic strip ''Krazy Kat'' (1913–1944). More influential than popular, ''Krazy Kat'' had an appreciative audience a ...
's ''
Krazy Kat ''Krazy Kat'' (also known as ''Krazy & Ignatz'' in some reprints and compilations) is an US, American newspaper comic strip, created by cartoonist George Herriman, which ran from 1913 to 1944. It first appeared in the ''New York Journal-America ...
'' has Krazy run behind a rolling stone on Ignatz Mouse's account, to literally see whether "it gathers any moss?"


See also

* Chien de Jean de Nivelle * Fortune favours the bold * It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings


References

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